Pope Francis meets with ICKSP

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Katherine - @ChooseAgape__ (that's a double underscore)

Gavin - @gavinashenden

Mark - @sitsio

 

Summary

The conversation discusses the topic of liturgy in light of the visit of the Sovereign Priest of the Institute of Christ the King. It explores the controversy and discussion surrounding the traditional Latin Mass and the changes in the liturgical form since Vatican II. The conversation also touches on the history and mission of the Institute of Christ the King and the surprising meeting between Pope Francis and the Institute. There is speculation about Pope Francis' motives and the underlying tensions within the Church. The conversation explores the tension between Pope Francis and traditionalist Catholic communities, particularly the Ecclesia Dei communities. Mark Lambert expresses his concern about the lack of support for these communities and the potential closure of their institutes. The discussion also touches on the relationship between diocesan bishops and traditionalist orders, highlighting the importance of unity and collaboration. The hosts discuss the motivations behind Pope Francis' actions, with Gavin Ashenden suggesting that it may be driven by personal vendettas rather than a coherent strategy. The conversation concludes with a brief mention of Julian Assange's release from prison and the importance of trust in institutions.

Keywordsliturgy, traditional Latin Mass, Institute of Christ the King, Vatican II, Pope Francis, Pope Francis, traditionalist Catholic communities, Ecclesia Dei communities, diocesan bishops, unity, collaboration, motivations, personal vendettas, Julian Assange, trust

Takeaways

• The traditional Latin Mass is a hot topic of discussion and controversy within the Catholic Church.
• The Institute of Christ the King is a religious community that celebrates the traditional Latin Mass and has been invited to restore historic churches.
• There are tensions and disagreements within the Church regarding the liturgy and the role of traditional practices.
• Pope Francis' meeting with the Institute of Christ the King is surprising given his previous comments and actions regarding the traditional Latin Mass. There is tension between Pope Francis and traditionalist Catholic communities, particularly the Ecclesia Dei communities.
• The lack of support for these communities and the potential closure of their institutes is a cause for concern.
• Unity and collaboration between diocesan bishops and traditionalist orders are important for the growth and acceptance of the traditional Latin Mass.
• The motivations behind Pope Francis' actions are debated, with suggestions of personal vendettas rather than a coherent strategy.
• Trust in institutions, whether it be the Church or the government, is crucial for maintaining stability and making informed decisions.

Titles

• Exploring the Controversy of the Traditional Latin Mass
• The Mission and Restoration Work of the Institute of Christ the King The Role of Trust in Institutions
• Debating Pope Francis' Motivations

Sound Bites

• "Liturgy is always the topic that causes the most discussion."
• "The traditional Latin Mass strengthens faith and intensifies attachment to the Church and the Holy Father."
• "There is tension and confusion surrounding the recent document on the traditional Latin Mass."
• "If you were looking to see where the Holy Spirit is moving in the church today, surely you would get behind this."
• "I would love it to be."
• "A house divided cannot stand."

Chapters

00:00Introduction and Setting the Stage

00:58Controversy and Discussion around the Traditional Latin Mass

08:14Tensions and Confusion Surrounding Recent Document on the Traditional Latin Mass

12:31Pope Francis' Surprising Meeting with the Institute of Christ the King

16:01Speculation on Pope Francis' Motives and Underlying Tensions

19:52The Importance of Unity and Collaboration

21:22Debating Pope Francis' Motivations

27:10The Role of Trust in Institutions